The Holy Trinity: DAOs, Decks & Discord

[00:00] You don't know if we can? [00:01] I don't know if you can talk about sex like that. Why? [00:05] Why? I don't know. I don't know. I wouldn't. [00:11] I mean, a sex dream doesn't feel like... [00:14] A sex dream doesn't feel like you're talking about sex. [00:17] Like it's not sex that actually happened. You know what I mean? [00:20] So it feels like not real. *gasp* [00:23] Um... [00:26] You have no control over that happening. [00:28] Having a sex dream, you have no control. That's true. You have control over whether or not you talk about it. [00:46] Hi, Dina. Hi. What's Boys Club? So Boys Club is a social DAO. Ah, social DAO. Working on that. Social DAO that is welcoming women and non-binary individuals to Web3. I love it. And... [01:00] We do that through... [01:03] A podcast. A newsletter. A website. A Discord community. Events. Lots of things. Bing, bam, boom. Boom. [01:10] It's great. Come on in. [01:12] Water's warm. Come on in. Yeah. And like and subscribe. Smash the subscribe. It's actually really important. And write a review if you like us, which we get a lot of DMs saying you do, which is so nice. So kind. Take those DMs into the public. [01:26] We're trying to optimize. We're trying to juice the algorithm. Juice it up.

[01:30] Yeah. So please subscribe, please. Even if you don't listen, just subscribe. Okay. It's going to get a little thirsty. Okay. Okay. So on today's podcast. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Today's podcast was super fun. We had Alexander Berko from... [01:45] He leads Web3 Creator Partnership for OpenSea. And we played Explain the Tweet with Alexander. And I actually learned a lot. Learned a lot. [01:53] Solidity. Solidity devs about NFT party culture. It was great. [01:59] It was great. He's such a good time. And then we talked about the inner doubt check in we talked about. [02:07] really the power of Web3 and how we have a group of contributors and core team members that are truly acting as owners and how incredible that is and how that's been. [02:17] really the reason that we've been able to ship so aggressively. Totally. And how is because of that? Basically, we've been how the mechanisms of Web3 allow you to operate as if you had venture funding when you do not. [02:31] And it's pretty awesome. And then we have a new segment. What's our new segment? [02:35] It's called Ask the Boys. I love it. And you guys sent in some questions. Dina fielded them. She chose one. And you got us, you got to know us a little bit better. We're coming. We are taking a break from feelings check-in, getting ahead of that. Don't worry. It's coming back. We're just like taking a breath for everybody. Collective breath. We also, we also needed to, we need to

[03:05] Today's pod, we have Alexander Burkow. [03:08] with us. Welcome, Alexander. Thank you for having me. Very excited. So, Alexander is going to play explain the tweet with us and Alexander leads Web3 partnerships at OpenSea. [03:22] Tell me what your title is. Yeah, Web3 Creator Partnerships. So everything that we're sort of doing on the creator side of things, art, music, talent, [03:29] Oh, fun. Is Boys Club a creator? Are we a creator? [03:32] You guys are a creator of sorts, but I think we would probably bucket you more into the brand side. Nice. We've made it. We have made it. Yeah. Okay. So, Alexander, I'm going to read out your tweet that we're going to unpack on today's show. And then we're going to go into some details about it. So, your handle on Twitter is 0xAlexanderVeryWeb3. Very cool. [04:02] Shout out to the dude walking around the Azuki party holding up a sign that says looking for solidity or react devs. [04:10] so first I have to ask Natasha what's your level of comprehension on this tweet okay my level of [04:20] on a surface level, pretty high. Okay. Like I understand because you said it, we're at a party. I have no idea who is. We're at a party. Um, Azuki feels like maybe a DJ that I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what that is. And then

[04:37] I'm getting this guy's being super, super thirsty about looking for devs. And I know that these are two languages. [04:47] Programming languages. Okay. [04:50] Solidity for the listener. There's nodding. Um, and solidity, I think is like particularly web three, but I could not tell you and react as a front end. Oh, look at her. Look at her. That was pretty good. Okay. So you're like at a 50%. [05:07] Yeah. So I don't know what Azuki is. [05:10] I do not know, but I think I'm similar. I also wonder if maybe holding up a sign [05:17] if that was in jest. [05:19] I'm wondering if it was maybe... [05:22] for the tweet did it for did it for twitter okay okay take it away can you tell us what's going on here what's it yeah let's let's break down the tweet all right first i shouted out a dude we got that far but azuki is a uh at the time was a top 10 nft collection so okay um i think at the time of this tweet it was top five it was like oh so we're talking blue chip we're trending we're talking blue chip yeah at the time of the party was like 20 plus each something like that oh my [05:52] Wow. Okay. And what's the style of the look? It's like a, like a 2d anime type style. I believe that was actually sort of their original cell was they were going to create some sort of content around the characters that they have. Can I ask you something about this? What do you think of the percentages of people who actually end up doing that?

[06:15] Thank you. [06:16] So far, it's very low. And like, also, I'm not dragging it. I think like, I think we all need to experiment and ship and things will fail. And like, that's totally healthy and fine. But I am wondering, like, I feel like I see. [06:28] that claim [06:30] we're going to turn it into characters, into a thing all the time. And I'm like, from your vantage point, like how much of that, [06:37] Do you believe in like it's it's hard because a lot of the times you are sort of betting on unknown teams, right? Totally. What can these people do this? Can they make a video game? Can they make a TV show? The idea, the hope that these people have right collectors is that if they crush it and you own some of this IP, like, isn't that a great value to yourself? I think we've seen. [06:57] projects actually start to ship some other things and you see their floor actually tank because like the fantasy of maybe having something is like better than oh the product isn't exactly what i thought or like this isn't how i wanted it or or whatever so sometimes it makes me nervous actually we're starting to see this like wave now of like no roadmap free mint type stuff like this we're all gonna die at the time of this is like really popular goblins but it doesn't mean they're not building something so it's like you actually so you still get like this fantasy element of like [07:27] partner with the board apes or something but they haven't come out and like said it and now you've set these expectations that are [07:33] pretty much impossible to [07:35] to me so yeah it's sort of like it's like when you're pre-product as a startup that's like you don't know if it's the best time and what's crazy about nfts is you can like raise all this money pre-product and then you have to deliver and it's like

[07:49] that's that's a tough position to be in what was that um nft project that went viral a couple months ago that was like they they raised a ton of money and then they like shipped one of the characters and the character was like yeah it was a pixel mons they said they i believe they reached 70 million dollars which at the time i need to show you this like and and they were supposed to be like the pokemon of nfts and like okay the the like designs that they showed at [08:19] Really cool, frankly. It looked amazing. It looked like a rival Nintendo. And when they finally shipped what they had, [08:27] Uh, it was less than that. [08:31] Oh, I saw this. Okay. [08:34] For those who, like, you may have seen this, I'm just going to try to describe it. This is insane. This is insane. So it looks like we're in, like, a, yeah, like, I guess Nintendo. But, like, what I remember Nintendo being when I was, like, four or five. Beach, palm trees, very pixelated. And then there's, like, a very deformed-looking... [08:56] Dinosaur man? He's like got like googly eyes or something. Yeah, googly eyes. [09:02] teeth and claws it's really bad it's really bad the the the worst actually i don't best or worse i had beholder here is kevin became a meme they first we named him kevin as like a community and then he became a meme and then there was like projects that were spun off of just like kevin derivatives that actually started doing really well oh my god oh my god i love that what you sent me was um

[09:27] From the... [09:30] The article said, worst NFT, in quotes, worst NFT project ever. Pixelmon earns 70 million USD. Oh, man. Okay. Let's get back to the tweet here. I do think you had an avatar that was an Azuki at one point, now that I'm looking at it, right? No, I never did. I wish I could, but I didn't. I had some other fun ones in the past, but I was at the Azuki party, actually, and I [09:55] for a totally separate reason frankly um and i'm not an azuki holder um and i believe you needed one to get in um and we were oh look at you sorry now i'm flexing on the podcast uh uh but yeah we were we were just hanging out it was actually um down the street from where i live in la so i just like walked over it was super fun frankly it was like a nightclub wiz khalifa was there which was kind of oh okay so it's like a legit party yeah it was at the nightingale like toki monster was [10:25] fun and i just like look over my shoulder and there's this guy with like an iphone that was the sign and it had big text on it like i looked it up there's an app called big text which i have now because it was sweet and it just said like looking for solidity or reactive he's just walking around the party like full brightness on his phone it's amazing just like thrashing into people i'm like cracking up so i tweet this [10:48] And then turns out, [10:50] I know the guy. Oh, no way. Yeah. So he's actually the CTO for sound, which is a project that we've, we've helped, you know, or I've, I've,

[11:00] you know, talk to in the past. And, uh, it was just really funny. And I, like, I talked to the guy after they were like, yeah, it's just a doggy, you know, doggy dog world out here for developers. So did he find his, his, what do you use? I haven't followed up to know if this was a successful strategy or not. Um, but yeah, I'll let you guys know. We'll do an appendage on the podcast later with, uh, but it was just fun. It was just like at the time it was so perfect, [11:30] you know there's like there's like those like iso cannon things and like confettis coming out and actually the party they announced like the lights like cut and it got all serious they had like this dramatic like video and that was like everyone who has an azuki check your wallet and people like lose it and they're like losing their mind and everyone checks their wallet and that's they airdropped everyone like a new nft so people are like going nuts yeah which was which was a cool like experience for sure even as like a non-azuki holder i was hyped i was like what'd [12:00] and I yeah this guy's just like walking around there with his phone it was just like the perfect perfect [12:05] symbol of the space, I feel like, in many ways. The grind never stops. Grind never stops. Always be working. [12:14] So... [12:15] Why are... [12:17] Why are developers... Why are they in such high demands? What's the market like right now that that's what you got to do in order to... [12:26] Well, [12:27] One, I think great developers, even before Web3, have always been in demand, right? Like just really solid devs will always be really important. I think the hard thing that at least we come across a lot at OpenSea is you both need a great developer who also is enthusiastic about the Web3 space, right? Like not all developers are. You need people that have some context in this space as well. So like enthusiasm and context, I think, are slightly different. Like, do you know what like minting is?

[12:57] difference you know how like a blockchain works besides just like i think nfts are dope um and then to be a really good solidity dev which um natasha you were right it is a like that's like how i'm not a dev so some dev listening is going to kill me but it's like the way that you basically code on a theory right like okay like if you want if you want to write like a smart contract it's on ethereum it's oh great okay that's super helpful and so um when you're like it's just a [13:27] all of those people is like a very small overlap. And so they're in really high demand. And then frankly, the sort of like unspoken part of this is, if you're a great Solidity dev, you can make like, [13:40] quadruple the money doing freelance Solidity Dev for a DAO or a project or, you know, an NFT, like if you drop an NFT project that, you know, mints out and you get 10% of that mint and you do that once a week for somebody or something, that's way more than like, you know, a Google can pay you. Right. And so that's, that's a lot of where like the tension is, I think right now. And it's hard to find those people. I think community managers and developers are very, [14:10] a really high level. [14:11] Wow. So for the listener, it's time to take a solidity course. And then after, and then after, uh, hit me up. Uh, I just want to give a quick shout out to one individual who sits in the center of that Venn diagram, which is Nama who works at OpenSea, who helped. She was a speaker at our very first boys club event and has been with us for this entire ride.

[14:41] She helped us with the Boy Scope smart contract when we were deploying it. Deploying it, right? Yeah, deploying it. We were deploying it. And she was just so generous and kind. Also, shout out. What a sweetheart. Yeah, she really is. And shout out to emo.eth. Yeah. Who also helped us. You connected us. Can I tell a really quick story about him? Oh, please. Please. [15:06] Um, [15:07] And I've told this before, but I want people to know this because I think it's really fun. He's my best friend my whole life. We met in fourth grade. [15:14] Tennis camp. I love it. Oh, yeah, super adorable. Neither of us play tennis or athletic. We were in a band together in high school, basically doing like Boney Bear covers. I play guitar. [15:30] I play guitar. He's a wonderful singer. He's actually a great songwriter as well. So you should go check out James work. And then... [15:40] So we stayed friends throughout college. He actually got me into NFTs like three years ago. Oh, wow. And when I say that, I was like, this is for nerds. This is some dumb. Who cares about these crypto kitties? Because I was the only thing. And then he kept being like, no, dude, you like art. You like culture. You like all this stuff. You should really get into this. And I was like, all right, fine. So he told me to follow Alex Atala, who's the founder of OpenSea on Twitter. I got my job by literally sliding into Alex's DMs. Then... [16:09] Later, I refer James OpenSea and how we work together on the same team. So it's like, I mean, does that get cuter than that? That's a Web3 meet cute, I think. Also, like lots of great career advice in this pod interview. So thank you for that. You're welcome. Okay. Glad I could be useful.

[16:29] I want to give a moment for you to shout out some projects that you're excited about, things you're seeing in the space that are interesting. [16:36] Give us the alpha. Can I say boys club? Is that too pandering? Oh, stop it. I think it's true. I really love what you guys are doing. I think that's like no note to you guys. I tell you all the time, but it is really true. Like when I bring it up, I think of you guys. I love what pool suite's doing. They really jump out to me as. [16:56] um people who are really trying to provide great utility i'm really on like this sort of utility pass kick i think that's a really fun use um i did just buy some of these so i want to like be really [17:10] Um, uh, we're all going to die. Seems really fun. Like that's what I bought. I bought three of those this week. And I think the reason that it stuck out to me was similar. Like we mentioned a second ago, like. [17:21] pre-mint, no roadmap. It's kind of like all lore built. Like, even if you look at the contract, like the traits have lore to the traits. Like, that's clearly a crazy, thoughtful project. And there's like all these like weird elements to their Twitter where they're like teasing, like, [17:37] this stuff and like uh two nights ago i believe they did a sacrifice like they they minted some for themselves and they sent it to the burn address like on a twitter space with everyone it was like part of the like elden ring type lore that they have okay and i just kind of like nerdy like jrpg type things like that so that stuck out to me what's jrpg like a japanese role-playing game like uh final fantasy you know type stuff okay um you know it's all like eight bit characters and i think that's been really exciting

[18:04] Um, what do what do they look like? They're like, I don't know, they look like, um, [18:10] My current profile picture is one. I don't even know how you describe it. It's like a little like battle mage, Elden Ring, Elden Scrolls type, Game of Thrones-esque. [18:23] - Anime Game of Thrones, is that fair? - Yeah, I think that's like-- - Loose? - Not far enough that it works for me. I think those things have been really exciting. [18:35] I don't know, there's like so many builders right now. I think we were saying before the podcast started, like the bear market, I think the benefit is like, I think people are really heads down right now. And I'm really excited for like this summer generally. Like I feel like there's gonna be a lot of really cool things that we're sort of yet to see. And that's what always has interested me the most in this. Like who's gonna move this culture forward? We've been in this sort of PFP hype for like a while now, like 4Date's really kicking it off basically a year ago. [19:02] I think we've seen a lot sort of call to utility. I'm excited just to see sort of like what that next phase is. So that's what I'm on the lookout for. Wow, I love it. [19:13] Well, thank you so much, Alexander. This is, um, this was so fun and we'll talk to you soon. We'll have to have you on again. I would love to. Thank you guys. Bye.

[19:32] What's happening in our Dow, Natasha? [19:34] Well [19:35] Okay, so this week we have a town hall coming up. [19:39] Which for the listener is basically a time for us to share in our community with, share to our community, what's going on, what we're working on some insights, some changes, some progress. [19:53] for some communities that's like a very low-key like we're hop on a discord stage and like chat um for the type a bitches of voice club we are getting our deck we're doing a run through we're very very type a about it we're very type a about it yeah for better for worse [20:11] I don't know. I mean, I'm of the opinion, I'm of the strong opinion that I don't want to waste anyone's time. So I want the people who are coming on to that town hall to feel like they walked away with something of value. Shareholder meeting. [20:30] It's... [20:31] Yeah, I think we could be a lot more low key about them and probably do them more often. But that's not the boys. That is not how we've been approaching them so far. I can see a case for maybe we should. But we, you know, we're pretty obsessed with making sure or trying to ensure that like every time someone is interacting with Boys Club, whether it's at an event or through an email or on social, like that they're having like an incredible experience. [21:01] think it's really fun and that it's a true expression of the brand and our voice and

[21:06] that it feels valuable and it feels worth [21:09] doing and having done and I think that that like [21:12] carries through to this idea of a town hall for us as well. So it's just like, [21:17] it's an extension of how [21:21] we see the brand come to life. So yeah, we're preparing a lot. We have a lot of work that we've been doing over the past couple of days to get that deck together. And I think one thing that has been interesting [21:35] Part of it is a state of the union, sort of like, where are we at? What have the last couple months look like? And sort of status. And I think our mission is changing. I think our mission is evolving. [21:46] Yeah, I think, I mean, I definitely think it is. And as you're saying, it [21:51] The town halls sort of provide this moment for us to be like reflective about [21:56] what has happened in our community over the last quarter or last few months and where we're going. And it's really nice to sort of have these weeks where that's the objective. Like there's still all this other stuff going on, but the main objective is like really thinking through that. And one of the things that has become clear as like a key insight is, yeah, really this evolution – [22:17] of our mission. And the one-- like, we started Boys Club-- [22:22] with [22:23] this... [22:24] desire to bring more women into Web3. Like that was the original sort of intention. And [22:31] what we've seen is [22:34] that that has happened. Like, yeah, it's so amazing. And so

[22:41] this like [22:42] All right. [22:43] sort of... [22:45] I did like originally it was like, wow, where you have this, like, how do we onboard more women into web three? How do we pull like these smart, capable women that are sitting on the sidelines and bring them into the space? And yeah. [22:54] That is something that we've seen to... [22:58] to come to life. And really it's come to life because... [23:02] there is this willingness within the women that were in our network and within our community to really co-labor with us in the mission to bring more people into the space and to make Web3 more accessible. [23:13] And in doing that, [23:16] they've created the world that we said we wanted to create, which feels really special and really something to feel really proud of and reflect on and be like, wow, we've come a long way. And [23:27] There's also still so much work to do. And how does that sort of evolve our original thinking on... [23:33] where we're going. And so... [23:36] Do you want to talk about that? Yeah. I mean, I think it's like, so there's a couple of things in what you're saying. One, it's like an acknowledgement that like, [23:43] There's... [23:45] we've, we've made a lot of progress. And even just looking at the core team or the boys club contributors, like the women who are willing to jump in and raise their hand and like, and build this world with us and alongside us, like that in and of itself is evidence of, um, a mission fulfilled, like a partial mission fulfilled. Cause not all of these women were in web through

[24:15] that there's something... [24:16] there to [24:18] like just take a moment and be proud of and then i also think like [24:21] Another thing that we're seeing is, okay, our original mission, our original intention was around [24:26] onboarding the next 1 million women and non-binary individuals to Web3, that all of a sudden [24:32] you know, whatever, six months in feels really actually quite narrow. And doesn't really properly reflect, I think, what it is that we're seeing. [24:42] how we're seeing the value of Boys Club expressed [24:45] amongst people who are coming in now who are at many different stages in their website journey. Yeah, like there are women who are coming in and [24:52] and are just trying to find a safe landing spot to figure this world out. But there's also for every one person who comes to us with that type of need, there's another person who comes to us who's... [25:04] um [25:05] maybe working full-time on web3 and like wants just needs or wants some sort of like confidence builder for her and for her career and like just wants to build her network and wants to like [25:17] come into a community where she can talk about the thing that she's interested in and like also show up just very fully like she can doesn't have to [25:25] just i don't know like i know that's true for me personally like i can be my full self in boys club in a way that i can at my day job that is in web 3 and so [25:36] I think that there's like there's an acknowledgement of these other parts of the journey that [25:43] We, um...

[25:45] want to just be more intentional about designing for, which I think is, [25:50] is like, [25:52] I think it's a testament to sort of how far we've come in many ways. And I think what is really like has been really, um, [26:02] Thank you. [26:03] Bye. [26:04] what I guess I've learned in this [26:06] in doing this work is [26:10] what [26:11] web through what this space allows, like a macro look at why Boys Club has been so [26:17] been able to come as far as it's been able to come is because one, this like incredible willingness for women to support each other and, [26:25] and back each other [26:27] and [26:28] That's one aspect and was like one of the original sort of aspiration of boys club. Um, but also I think what's sort of more interesting to me and less just boys club, but what's possible in web three is that, [26:43] we've been able to operate as if we are venture backed without having raised any money and [26:51] The reason for that, I think, is because you have these mechanisms within [26:57] this space [26:58] when you have a community that will be tokenized, that allows for shared ownership and shared equity. It's not exactly the same, but like that idea for people who aren't are new to this. [27:11] um [27:12] Bye. [27:13] that ability to share in that

[27:16] before [27:17] in a much more fluid and, and less rigid way than in a traditional like C-Corp or Web2 company or whatever. And [27:26] so i sort of had this insight a few weeks ago that i was like wow we're like really operating as if [27:31] with the sort of [27:33] gas to the floor that a venture backed entity does where we're like really obsessed with [27:42] with growing, with audience building and not, [27:47] Nickel and diming on like, we're like, we throw these events, it's money in, money out. And part of that is we want this like incredible experience, but it's also because we're thinking about building the brand and growing our audience above anything else. And. [27:58] That is a very... [28:00] like venture-backed way of thinking as opposed to like... [28:04] 15K here, we need to scratch this off the top, whatever. Like revenue driving from a position of wanting to clear revenue as the main objective. Yeah. And that's only possible [28:14] because of the mechanisms that exist within Y3, which is [28:18] like, feels like [28:20] like a total revolution about like what's possible in, [28:24] in this new economy do you agree yeah it's only possible because there's a core team and a group of contributors who are like [28:32] like thinking like owners and acting like owners and operating like owners. And they are willing to... [28:40] Like... [28:41] like roll up their sleeves, do the work, and ship stuff out on a really aggressive pace, because everyone is an owner. Like, we're not tokenized yet, but we will be. And at that point, like, there'll be a distribution to all of the people on the team that have been...

[28:56] Bussing their ass like to [28:58] grow Boys Club with us. And so I think it's like, [29:02] it feels like a really true expression of how web three, um, [29:08] is really different and has this like really, really powerful flywheel effect when like, [29:14] leveraged in the right ways and I think that we're starting to like see that a little bit with Boys Club and um I mean you know I think we have we have a ways to go and I think we could do it better and more effectively and I think that we could you know there's all these things that like we can improve on but I think just like sort of in doing the work for the town hall and in preparing and [29:35] We have... [29:37] done a lot [29:39] in a short amount of time, and we all have day jobs, and none of us are getting paid any cash, USD. [29:46] And that's because... [29:49] we're all owners in this thing that's enabled by web3 and crypto and [29:55] Um, [29:56] I think that we'll see like, [30:00] I think that we can see that accelerate if we're smart about it. Yeah. [30:10] So we've got a new segment. We're trying out a little bit something new. What are we doing, Dina? Yeah. [30:17] So today we're gonna do Ask the Boys. [30:20] instead of [30:22] feelings check-in. I mean, not because we don't have feelings. Not because there's, there's so many feelings. There's also like, I just, for me, it's like, are we boring people with the feelings? Totally. Is it too, too many feelings? Also, I'm just like, they're sort of the same feelings every week. I know. They're like slight variations. So we're giving you guys a break. Yeah. We're going to, we're going to give you guys a little break. A little breather on feelings.

[30:44] Yeah. And we're going to... [30:48] take some cues from. So this segment is called Ask the Boys. It's questions that our people in our Discord, the boys of Boys Club, have submitted to us. And so Dina has full visibility. I do not. I don't know where these are coming in. So she's going to select one. And we're going to deep dive on this particular topic. [31:10] Question. [31:11] Okay, I want to say for future Ask the Boys, you're welcome to ask any type of question. It doesn't necessarily have to be about Web3 or Crypto. All the ones that we got in are very serious. Oh, they're serious? They're serious, yeah. Oh, no. They're serious. Okay. But I think in the future, feel free to ask Natasha what type of hair oil she uses. I have thoughts. Or what she feels about Nuuly. Yeah, okay. Well, we talked a little bit too much about that on the bot already. [31:40] Okay, let's hear the question. Also, I highly encourage questions about the Kardashians because I'm watching and... [31:48] So honestly, it's so good. I have no notes, but I would love to discuss. But let's hear the question for this week. Okay. Here's one. Natasha, this is perfect for you. What was the defining reason that led you to move into the crypto industry? Oh, no. The defining reason. So for the listener, Natasha is a moonlighter. I'm a moonlighter. She's a crypto moonlighter, which I think is important context. I actually don't know if everyone knows that. Oh, yeah. I feel like that...

[32:17] I feel like I have an affair with Web3 by night, and it's so fun. [32:24] Yeah, I work a Web2 job. I really love my job, so that's great. Shout out to Natasha's job. I think it's mostly like, why crypto? Why Web3? Well, reason one, I felt like... [32:38] You had to give it your pressure. You had given me two years. And if I wanted to keep you as my work wife, I had to do something in crypto. So that was that was part of it for sure. And then the other part of it, it [32:53] I feel like people hear... [32:55] our founding story. [32:57] about our Las Vegas trip. [32:59] And we'll go into that again at some point. And they think, wow, they're just totally making this thing up. And it's absolutely what happened. You and I went to Las Vegas. You sat me down by the pool. [33:12] We went on a trip for our other startup, and I was like, okay, let's talk about this Web3 stuff. And we spent three hours by the pool looking at DAO, DEX, and Discord channels, and all this stuff. DAOs, DEX, and Discord. The whole eternity. The whole eternity. [33:29] And... [33:30] The thing that like really clicked for me truly in that moment was... [33:36] That there's like... [33:37] And DAOs might be wrong. Like, I'm totally open for DAOs to not be right, but... [33:42] There's a truly new... [33:45] form of [33:46] of power that is being created right now. Like a new economy is being created. And

[33:51] I just didn't see in that conversation a lot of women. Like, I just saw so many dudes. And it was just like, I can't watch this. I cannot watch this. And so... [34:05] I was like, if money is being made and power is being distributed, got to figure out a way in. [34:11] And... [34:12] I don't know. That's so I haven't made the I haven't made the full plunge into crypto. What about you? [34:19] What was your defining moment? [34:20] Um... [34:22] Well, I first got into crypto. [34:26] in 2017, [34:28] I don't know that this, like... [34:30] paints me in a good light. [34:32] Like, I don't know if it's like what people want to hear about me. [34:35] What do you mean? [34:37] I think it's definitely what people want to know. [34:40] That I got into it for the money. [34:42] I think that's wonderful. I think that's honest. I got into it for the money. I was attracted to the space because of the money that was being made in the last... [34:51] crazy bull run in 2017. Prices were going insane. And I was like, what's happening over here? I got to see, I got to figure out what's happening over there and try and make some of that money. [35:01] And [35:02] So that's what drew me in. That honestly, just fully transparent, that's why I started paying attention. And then after I was paying attention, [35:12] to what was happening in crypto. We were not Web3 at the time. We were crypto at the time. I... [35:19] I've truly fell in love with the technology and what it...

[35:23] what it made possible for the things that I care about. [35:26] And [35:27] in terms of making a real impact for people's lives. And like, so I then went on a whole sort of [35:35] mission journey, but my mission journey [35:38] I didn't start that way. It didn't start that way, yeah. And I don't know. I feel a little bit insecure about that. I don't think you should feel insecure about that at all. I think you've done really wonderful things, and I think you – [35:48] your interest, it piqued your interest, but like what kept you, what made you want to like do the work, not just like be a, [35:56] participant like dealing with price action was like, [36:00] the ability to like bank the unbanked and for wealth creation to be possible for people that it wasn't before. And like I've heard I've spent so many hours in conversation with you about that and that's like [36:10] That's what it is. Who cares about how it started? That's what like you've actually committed your life. Well, this person cares. That's what I asked. [36:19] Okay. No, that was it. Yeah. No, that was a great, that's a really great question. And, um, [36:25] I do have one story that we haven't... We've never actually talked about this. So Dina and I, on another Ask the Boys, we'll get into this. But Dina and I met at our previous, previous, previous, way back day jobs. And I was secretly... Shout out to Indiegogo.com. I was secretly... [36:45] planning an exit to start my own thing and dina was publicly leaving after her one year besting cliff um to start her own thing and to the date we were sort of frenemies we had not connected and

[36:59] Everybody had been like, Dina's so amazing. And I was like, okay, I get it. And then... [37:06] I was like, we were in an all-hands stand-up, and we were standing next to each other, and I was like, oh, I heard you leaving. And you were like, yeah. And I was like, where are you going? And you were like, I'm starting a... [37:16] a Bitcoin thing. And you brought so much baggage to that sentence. And I had no context. I couldn't probably even tell you what Bitcoin was at the time. And I was like, OK. [37:28] why is that bad? Like you were like, and you're like, I don't know. I made it sound bad. Yeah. You were just like, so like ashamed that you were doing something in crypto. And I was just like, I was like, why is that bad? And you were like, I don't know. Just like, [37:41] I don't know, just like all those bro, like I'm just, there's just like a lot of bro energy in it. Yeah. Yeah. And I was like, Oh, okay. But I was like, Oh, it's so funny to me because I'd like have no context for this culture or like what she's talking about. Yeah. Yeah. And I was like, I thought I was like, that seems cool. She's like doing her own thing. And it seems like she's taking like this big leap. But it was so funny. Cause I was just like, looking back, I was like, you were bringing so much to like, so heavy, so heavy. And I'm just like, what a waste of time. [38:11] Now that I know you, my advice to you in that moment should have been like, wow, let it go. And just have fun. Give it a try. But anyway, look how far we've come. [38:23] okay send your send your cues in for yeah send us your questions any any style all right

[38:30] Okay. [38:30] Dina. What's up? What time is it? It's draft tweet time. Oh man. Okay. I'm feeling pretty excited about this because I have some, but [38:48] Like, I'm really going to use this time to workshop with you. [38:51] Great, let's go. Okay. You seem excited. You seem legitimately like excited. So now the pressure is mounting. They're really fucking hilarious. Okay. They're not that good. Take your expectations off. So the first one, all of them require explanation. So that's why they're not great. Great, great, great, great, great sign. The first one is a screenshot. [39:10] Okay. And it is a screenshot of Chris Dixon. [39:15] following my dad on Twitter. [39:19] And that's the image. And the caption is, in all caps, why is dad following dad? Okay. [39:27] For the listener, Chris Dixon... [39:31] We call him dad. Is our dad. He's our dad. And he's, for some reason, I have a zero clue following my dad on Twitter now. And it felt like a break in the matrix. I was like, what is happening here? [39:45] So I was excited about that one. I'm definitely not going to tweet it. [39:47] Like ever, but it's funny. It does appeal to really only like seven people. But to those seven people, it's really comedy gold. Yeah. Okay, what's yours? What's yours? I only have one this week and it sucks. Oh.

[40:02] I am just going to complain about that, but it really like... [40:08] it expresses something that I feel like needs to be in the world. [40:13] Okay, so the tweet is, I date, well... [40:16] IDK about notion. [40:18] your hate for notion is so deep and so wide and so pervasive [40:25] I just feel like there's two types of people in the world. There are Notion people and there's Google Doc people. And I don't care if it ages me and it makes me... [40:35] Like, [40:36] an insufferable millennial. I am. And I don't think I can... [40:41] I don't think I can make that... You can't live like this. I don't think I can go over to... Everyone is like, you just got to... [40:46] Learn it. And I'm like, no. [40:49] You don't. Is that the thing you should be learning? One life here. [40:52] Okay, I like it. I like it. The only reason I wouldn't say tweet it is because I saw a tweet [41:00] about hating notion that like crushed and it's I feel like it's already happened oh you know so I missed it a little late to the game yeah I can see that okay this one needs full-blown architecture like I need I need you to come in and help okay okay so context [41:16] We're going to talk about this all podcast, but... [41:19] We're, we have our town hall this week. And for those who don't know, who have never been to a town hall, [41:24] We always have a theme for the deck. And it's a celebrity. It's somebody who carries us through. And it's beautiful. They're like a creative outlet for me. I'm an artiste, honestly, when I'm putting these decks together. The last one was Vitalik. So celebrity. I mean, he's a celebrity, I guess.

[41:44] He's a crypto celebrity. The one before that was Pete Davidson, obviously. And so this week I was like, for like, since we scheduled this town hall, I was just like, what am, who is it going to be? [41:56] Who is it going to be? And I was like really struggling. [41:58] Separately, [42:00] I, the other night, [42:02] Had a dream. [42:03] And this is the tweet and the tweet needed work on the second half. [42:08] So the first tweet is: [42:11] Had a great night last night. [42:14] had a sex dream about Harry Styles. And I needed an ending. I needed, like, what is the end to this? Okay? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [42:22] And... [42:23] So then... [42:24] i was like we're i was thinking about the deck and i was like oh my god it's harry styles it's harry styles this has come out of a dream it's coming and i was texting with rachel and i was like okay it's gonna be harry styles and she was like how did you come to that and i was like i had a sex dream about him and she was like that is a tweet [42:39] You got a tweet that the town hall deck... [42:42] was inspired by your sex dream of Harry Styles. And I'm like, I don't know how to architect this on Twitter. Okay. Okay. So I thought about saying... [42:48] Ah. [42:49] Tweeting from Boys Club and saying... [42:51] Town Hall is not to be missed. The deck... [42:54] is so fire or something like that. And then sub tweeting that or like replying to it and saying like, it's not called it. That's not a sub tweet. It's a quote tweet. This is what I need. I need help. So maybe for another time, but there's something there. There's some, there's something there. [43:12] Um, [43:13] It's pretty, like, it's pretty racy. Ooh, racy. I mean, for you, it's pretty racy. You always say that. Like, every time you say that. But every time I'm coming with some sort of...

[43:26] racy tweet so that's true maybe the goalposts have moved um okay yeah we can we can let's sleep on that one yeah okay great okay see you next week [43:37] Bye. Bye. [43:38] *music*